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Puzzle 301. One million of prime prime residues

Rickey Bowers, Jr. sent the following nice challenge:

What is the first prime having over 1000000 prime prime residues?


Examples:

17 mod 2 =1
17 mod 3 = 2 (prime)
17 mod 5 = 2 (prime)
17 mod 7 = 3 (prime)
17 mod 11 = 6
17 mod 13 = 4

Just three prime residues of 17 are prime.


37 mod 2 = 1
37 mod 3 = 1
37 mod 5 = 2 (prime)
37 mod 7 = 2 (prime)
37 mod 11 = 4
37 mod 13 = 11 (prime)
37 mod 17 = 3 (prime)
37 mod 19 = 18
37 mod 23 = 14
37 mod 29 = 8
37 mod 31 = 6

Just four prime residues of 37 are prime.


1. Find the smallest prime number having over 1000000 prime residues that are prime.
 

He added:

Let:

pi[i] = the i-th prime number
px[i] = number of prime prime residues for pi[i]
lim px[i] / i
i -> infinity

2. Wonder if the limit is defined?:
 


Mike Oakes, Jacques Tramu, Faride Firoozbakht, T. D. Noe, Johann Wiesenbauer and Joseph L. Pe contributed to this puzzle. The correct answer to Q1 came form Oakes & Noe, apparently. Could someone find the smallest prime with exactly 1000000 prime prime residues? ( Mike Oakes found it some days later:

The answer is 685478429, i.e.:
i=35539244  pi[i]=685478429  px[i]=1000000
There are no others from i=35494380 onwards)

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Mike Oakes wrote:

The answer to Q1 is 684972991, or (in the notation for Q2):-
i=35514380, pi[i]=684972991, px[i]=1000151
 
I have verified (12 hrs @2.1 GHz) that the immediately preceding 20000 primes have px[i] <= 1000000.
 

The answer to Q2 seems to be Yes, with the limit 0, or more precisely:-
px[i]/i ~ 1/ln(i)
 
Here is a heuristic justification:-
pi[i] ~ i*ln(i)
There are (i-1) candidate residues, "most" of which are ~ pi[i] ~ i*ln(i).
A number of this size has a chance 1/ln(i*ln(i)) of being prime.
So px[i] ~ (i-1)/ln(i*ln(i)),
i.e. px[i]/i ~ 1/(ln(i) + ln(ln(i))) ~ 1/ln(i)
 
Here is some numerical evidence:-
i        pi[i]       px[i]   px[i]/i      1/ln(i)       ln(i)*px[i]/i
2        3          0       0.000000 1.442695  0.0000
4        7          1       0.250000 0.721348  0.3466
8        19         2       0.250000 0.480898  0.5199
16       53         4       0.250000 0.360674  0.6931
32       131        7       0.218750 0.288539  0.7581
64       311        12      0.187500 0.240449  0.7798
128      719        17      0.132812 0.206099  0.6444
256      1619       32      0.125000 0.180337  0.6931
512      3671       54      0.105469 0.160299  0.6579
1024     8161       92      0.089844 0.144270  0.6227
2048     17863      156     0.076172 0.131154  0.5808
4096     38873      293     0.071533 0.120225  0.5950
8192     84017      500     0.061035 0.110977  0.5500
16384    180503     949     0.057922 0.103050  0.5621
32768    386093     1693    0.051666 0.096180  0.5372
65536    821641     3143    0.047958 0.090168  0.5319
131072   1742537    5711    0.043571 0.084864  0.5134
262144   3681131    10746   0.040993 0.080150  0.5115
524288   7754077    20198   0.038525 0.075931  0.5074
1048576  16290047   38152   0.036385 0.072135  0.5044
2097152  34136029   71965   0.034316 0.068700  0.4995
4194304  71378569   136398  0.032520 0.065577  0.4959
8388608  148948139  259874  0.030979 0.062726  0.4939
16777216 310248241  495720  0.029547 0.060112  0.4915
33554432 645155197  946386  0.028205 0.057708  0.4887
67108864 1339484197 1813683 0.027026 0.055488  0.4871

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Jaques Tramu wrote:

Hi Carlos,
I found the following :
 
P = 685500271 residus primes : 999975 
P = 685501111 residus primes : 1000127
 
So, the winner seems to be 685501111.
To be checked, for sure.

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Faride Firoozbakht wrote:

I don't know what is the smallest prime p, such that p=prime(n) and px(n)>1000000 (I think, it takes many times).

But I found many primes p=prime(n) such that px(n)>1000000, the smallest (wrong, CR) of them is p=prime(35565000)=686000743 and px(35565000) =1000019.

The only n such that |px(n)-10^6|<10 that I found is n=35680001, px(n)=1000003 (prime(n)=686304497).

" It seems that for each natural number n the set A(n)
of primes p such that px(pi(p))=n is a finite set. "

The maximal length of such set's that I found is l=36, it occurs for n=983 (for each element p of A(983), px(pi(p))=983).

A(983)={16995,17157,17223,17240,17288,17302,17308,17452,
17469,17512,17574,17591,17614,17620,17702,17728,
17743,17750,17799,17800,17802,17806,17816,17842,
17844,17858,17863,17937,17989,17993,18116,18117,
18185,18216,18249,18342}}

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T. D. Noe wrote:

1. It appears that 684972991 is the smallest prime having over 1000000 prime prime residues. It has 1000151 prime prime residues.

2. I think the limit px[i]/i is zero. Using the prime number theorem, assuming that residues are randomly distributed, and noting that all the residues of primes greater than p/2 are even, we can estimate the number of prime prime residues of a prime p to be

sum_{i=2..pi(p/2)} 1/log(prime(i))

where pi(p/2) is the number of primes less than or equal to p/2. This estimate is surprisingly good. The number of prime prime residues also appears to be approximated by

c1 pi(p/2) / log(pi(p/2))

where c1 is a number near 0.9. I used the latter formula to find the value of pi(p/2) which would yield about 1000000 prime prime residues. Then I searched backwards to find the least p.

Note that the second formula looks like the prime number theorem applied to pi(p/2). Hence, we might guess that the number of prime prime residues of p is proportional to pi(pi(p/2)).

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Johann Wiesenbauer wrote:

Question 1 of puzzle 301 is very hard and requires more computing power than is available on this planet, in my opinion. (Why?, CR)

For example, I used Derive to compute the prime p=686180039 with exactly 1000100 prime prime residues.

Even though the function describing the number of prime prime residues is such erratic and far from being monotonous even on a large scale that all I would dare to say is that the "real "solution to this problem at issue is a prime with 9 digits starting withb a 6.

In contrast, as for question 2, I'm quite sure that the limit at issue exists and is 0, though only based on heuristic reasoning. Let's call f(p) the function that assigns to each prime p the number of prime prime residues. Then based on the density 1/log(t) of prime numbers near t, the integral

int(1/(log t)^2,t,2, p/2)

of 1/log(t)^2 with t running from 2 to p/2 should be a good approximation for f(p). For example, this integral gives the value 996312,4.., which is not too far away from the exact value 1000100, indeed! Using this heuristic evidence, it is very easy then to see that the limit at question is 0.

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In the last hours I could still slightly improve my own "estimate" for the prime at issue to p = 686175013 which yields prime residues for exactly 10^6+77 primes below p. I doubt if this matters though, because as already mentioned, a proof that this prime (or any other one) is the "smallest" one is clearly out of the question.
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Joseph L Pe wrote:

Hope my contribution to puzzle # 301 isn't too late. I didn't get part A.
As for part B, the limit px(n)/p(n) as n --> oo is probably = 0. This is
supported by numerical evidence, and seems very plausible from the
following probabilistic argument.
 
Let i, j be positive integers with 1 <= j <= i. Let's suppose for a probabilistic
argument that the chance that p(i) mod p(j) is prime is just the chance that
a positive integer <= p(j) is prime, that is, 1/j. Since p(i) mod p(j) only gets
one "try" to be prime, the expectation that p(i) mod p(j) is prime = 1/j. Hence,
px(i) is the sum of these expectations, which is Sum[1/j] from j = 1 to i.
Asymptotically,
   px(i) ~ Integral[1/j dj] from j = 1 to i 
           = ln(i).
Therefore, as i --> oo,  lim px(i)/i = lim ln(i) / i = 0.


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